in a room and keep them there. >> interesting when you watch what is going on right now. obama does this nice balance between i am open to everything but i am drawing one redline, the millionaires -- >> i don't hear him changing on that. >> he's not kidding people being really tough in di -- is not. the people being the top of the democrats in the -- in really tough are the democrats in the house and senate. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "ust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10.